Are you happy to work in same office as someone refusing Covid-19 vaccine?

More than 35 million people in the UK have now received at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine after the UK government hit its target of offering a first jab to everyone in the top priority groups.

With the aim of offering vaccines to as many adults as possible by summer, the government says the continued success of the vaccine programme is one of the reasons why the four UK chief medical officers have agreed the Covid-19 alert level should move from level 4 to level 3, meaning the “epidemic is in general circulation”.

However, there are still a number of people refusing to have a Covid vaccine, which raises concern among some as the return to the office draws closer for many workers.

A fresh study from HR software provider CIPHR has revealed that 64% of UK workers think employers should be able to require employees to receive the Covid-19 vaccine before returning to the workplace.

What’s more, 35% of all UK workers said they would not work in the same office or work environment as someone who has refused the Covid-19 vaccination.

It is Gen Z, alongside Millennials, who are the most vaccine-conscious co-workers with 38% saying that they would not work in the same office or work environment as someone who refused a Covid-19 vaccine, according to the study.

Claire Williams, director of people and services at CIPHR, said: “It doesn’t come as a surprise that many British workers think employers should require all staff to receive the vaccine, when as a nation we’ve spent the past year responsibly adhering to the government rules to keep ourselves and loved ones safe.

“However, it is concerning that so many workers have indicated that they would not want to return to the workplace if one of their co-workers refused to be vaccinated. Ongoing investment in workplace health and safety is going to have to remain a high priority as we navigate the return to work.”

 

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64 Comments

  1. AgencyInsider

    No jab, no job.

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    1. bestandfinal51

      AgencyInsider Are you also going to stop selling and letting houses to those without a jab? Of course not. Your comment sir/madame is a worryimg stance, which could also be seen as disgrimitary.

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      1. htsnom79

        Dis-is-grim_innit-arry?

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      2. Will2

        One mans discrimination is another mans risk assessment.

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  2. Eyereaderturnedposter12

    What a bizarre article/survey.

    If you wish to take some form medicine/pharmaceutical/gene therapeutic…then that is up to you. Presumably if it is effective, you would logically feel yourself to be “protected”. In which case, it makes no odds if someone else has decided not to partake in such an exercise.

    If you do not wish to take the aforementioned medicine/pharmaceutical/gene therapeutic…then why on earth should anyone else feel aggrieved by this? Least of all, feel that they are in a position to comment on another’s personal choices.

     

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    1. LVW4

      When the personal choices of the minority could put the health of the majority at risk e.g. care home and health workers, and damage the productivity of their employer, co-workers are entitled to insist their employer does everything reasonably possible to provide a safe work environment, and the employer should be entitled to insist on vaccination and/or another form of evidence that the employee is not infected e.g. regular testing before returning to work (and normal pay). I can see test cases looming!

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      1. Eyereaderturnedposter12

        Hi LVW4,
        How would the “minority” (I.e. assuming you mean to say those who chose not to take the gene therapeutic) risk the health of the “majority”?
        The majority of course, in this scenario, will have been errr…vaccinated

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        1. AgentQ73

          No one has said the vaccines are 100% effective so even if you have had both jabs you can still catch it, albeit with a vastly reduced risk.

          What about those who for medical reasons cant take the vaccine ? Do we just leave them to shield forever ?

           

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        2. LVW4

          Don’t get me wrong; I’m a major supporter if the Great Barrington Declaration, but that has been supported by logic and common sense throughout. Saying you refuse to be vaccinated because it infringes your rights, when the evidence says vaccination makes the difference (albeit not 100%), is not thinking of the greater good, and a time when we can all put this behind us. I wonder if these people also refuse other vaccines, or if they are simply anti-government. 

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          1. LogicallyHonest

            What actual evidence is there that PROVES the vaccines are making the difference??? Flu season is over, of course ‘cases’ and deaths are going to drop dramatically! 
            I’m not anti Government or an anti vax but I will refuse to have it until the clinical trials are completed – once it’s no longer experimental.  It is experimental – ask your life insurance or your health insurance provider if they cover complications or death after having it. Once there are no obvious and irreversible damages to organs or the immune system, or the people who have had it aren’t struck down by the flu or another virus because their immune systems are now compromised, I may consider it.  People have been brainwashed into forgetting that we have immune systems, and if you treat it right it will protect you.
            The selfish People are the ones who have it JUST so they can go to the pub or on holiday – and that seems to be the main reason people say they’re having it, because of their holiday! Not the ones who don’t have it – they are ones who are thinking of the greater good but people can’t see that because they’re blinded by the media, the propaganda and the false numbers – every death registered as COVID regardless of what the cause really was, and the fact that deaths are recorded now as those who tested positive in the 28 days before they died – not that it actually killed them.  There are many families fighting this FALSIFICATION of death certificates.  Surely everyone now knows the PCR test is 97% false positive – courts in other countries have ruled this and many doctors and scientists have stated this fact….. 
             

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      2. bestandfinal51

        LVW4. Were you raised in the former East Germany?
        Seriously, think about what you are saying. I have no right to enforce an individual or colleague to have, what is at the end of the day, a medical procedure. And neither should any employer. Allowing eployers to dictate who they employ due to medical vacinations is dangerous at best. What next. Employers have the right to check an individuals medical files? Simply because they are an employer, and all in the name of reducing, as you put it “damage the productivity of their employer”.
        Wow.Please do not invite me to the universe were you reside.

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        1. LVW4

          Don’t get me wrong; I’m a major supporter if the Great Barrington Declaration, but that has been supported by logic and common sense throughout. Saying you refuse to be vaccinated because it infringes your rights, when the evidence says vaccination makes the difference (albeit not 100%), is not thinking of the greater good, and a time when we can all put this behind us. I wonder if these people also refuse other vaccines, or if they are simply anti-government.

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          1. Eyereaderturnedposter12

            LVW4, Having taken a moment to read your comments. I personally find them to be extremist,  dangerous and frankly quite revolting.
             
            Not only do they lack consistency,  the application of logic and fact…you are essentially inciting the sort of divisive activity, that very swiftly devolves into far more destructive and unethical territory (yes, even more so than we’ve witnessed thus far).

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            1. AcornsRNuts

              So sad.

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        2. LVW4

          No need to worry about me inviting you anywhere unless you’ve been vaccinated or have a medical excuse.
          I can’t wait to get my NHS vaccine ‘passport’ and take to the pistes next Winter. I had a very bad dose of covid after skiing last year, and would put money on the Austrians refusing lift access to anyone without a vaccine passport. But that’s OK. If you don’t want it, then you don’t ski. Your choice. 

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          1. Orson67

            If you’ve had CV as you state, why do you need the vaccine? you already have immunity. As for the comments about Austria, when people aren’t turning up on holidays, they will swiftly change their stance when they’ve little money coming in.

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            1. LVW4

              After all this time, your lack of knowledge about the vaccine is staggering. Not my job to tell you; do your research!

              I’ve just booked a skiing holiday in Austria for 10 people, and we have all had the vaccine, and prices have increased, and hotel availability is now very tight, and we will all spend quite a bit more while there. If one of us had refused the vaccine, he would not have been able to join us.

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        3. jan - byers

          If a person will not do their best to look after others they will not be working in my company they can f offf

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          1. Orson67

            Enjoy your appearance before the employment tribunal.

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            1. LVW4

              Many years ago I had to sign the Official Secrets Act for a job at BT. If you refused to sign, no job. I’m assuming that’s still the case when you join the Civil Service. Good luck trying to claim at a tribunal that it infringes your civil liberties.

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      3. LogicallyHonest

        Wondered when this publication would be jumping on the propaganda bandwagon, stirring things up.

        Why would you worry and feel the need to cause a fuss if you’ve had the jab yourself?

        Why would an unvaccinated person put ANYONE at risk. The illogic of this ‘vaccine’  is obvious to people who actually think about it. You can catch it and pass it on whether you’ve had it or not! What people (who are happy to have it without any thought of risk later in life) don’t seem to be taking on board is that any medication should be choice – once it’s in, you can’t get it out!. This IS experimental. The clinical trials don’t end until January 2023. By then they may know if/what damage could be caused, but it would take years and years to really know if organs are being damaged.  Thalidomide is a good example. So are all the many many billions of dollars these Pharmas have been sued for over the years.

        Even insurance and healthcare companies are responding to queries about cover after being needled – no you’re not covered for death or disablement because it is an experimental drug. That’s why there is no liability against the Government or the Pharmas – why would the Government do that if they weren’t expecting to be sued?

        The best way to NOT put anyone, INCLUDING YOURSELF, at risk is to make yourself as healthy as you can. We have immune systems, we just need to keep them healthy. Governments aren’t giving this advice because there’s no money in a healthy person. Simple as that!  If people actually bother to read what highly qualified doctors and scientists are saying – or trying to because they are being blocked, or look at the Gov.uk website, instead of listening to the news or your favourite celebrity, you would understand where the risk lies. There are more deaths from the needle than there are deaths from the virus. Look at the yellow card reporting on gov.uk, and the CDC website. The number of reactions and deaths will still be happening from the jab, but because ‘flu season’ is over the virus deaths and so called cases will naturally stop. Has anyone even thought about that – a coronavirus is seasonal….. Dr Mike Yeadon (ex Pfizer chief scientist who knows a lot about this subject and who was always highly respected for his opinions) explains that new variants are always WEAKER than the original – how about that! He also explains that continually have these jabs – because they want regular tops – destroys our natural immunity. As do all the anti-bacterial products everyone seems to think are necessary – they remove the protective bacteria from our skin, our first line of defence. They’re not anti-virus! Our gut bugs need to be fed not washed away.

        In India, Doctors are getting into ‘trouble’ for giving their patients blood thinners prior to having the shot. Why would they get into trouble for something that’s intended to prevent another health issue or death – for helping people….?

        The problem we have in society is that people are lazy and reliant on ‘someone in some kind of authority’ to tell us what to do, instead of thinking for themselves. Everything has to be convenient, immediate, provided. We’ve had over a year to improve our health and had people been given the correct advice – or looked for it themselves –  this thing wouldn’t be such an issue,

        So back to original question – I would rather work with someone unvaccinated, than vaccinated. At least their own immune systems will give them a chance!  THIS NEEDS TO STOP – I noticed someone mentioned 1930s Germany and I completely agree – people can’t see that all propaganda is DELIBERATELY causing people to separate into Them and Us – families and friends are falling out, couples splitting up – it’s ridiculous.

        This will go the wrong way, badly if people continue to let this propaganda come between them.

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        1. Orson67

          Excellent piece mate, you may like to follow “The Dark Horse Podcast” on YT also Ivor Cummins for stats on YT.

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  3. bestandfinal51

    So, we ensure all agents are vaccinated. Then what? Nobody can view a house unless vaccinated? Landlords can discriminate against tenants and refuse a let, unless vaccinated?

    This really is murky. I could not care less if the person next to me is not vaccinated. Those who have had the jab are as safe as possible at this time anyway, hence normality is within sight. So whats the problem?

    Surveys like this are not helpful. Simply inciting fear in an already fearful population. I know of people who do not wish to take the vaccine for various reasons. Am I bothered? No. Am I respectful of their decision, although at the same time intrigued as to their motives behind it? Yes.

     

     

     

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    1. Eyereaderturnedposter12

      A voice of common sense and logic 

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  4. MillicentBystander

    This article is written and designed to create division and Marc De Silva should be taken to task for posting it.  Sickening.

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  5. anon-mon73

    I nor my co-director have not had the jab, the staff are free to work in the office, or not.

    As a child had my MMR jab, I do not feel the need to check if others have had their MMR to feel protected.

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  6. smile please

    Wow story is reminiscent if 1930’s Germany.

    Not sure you have read the room right on this one guys.

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  7. SomeAgent

    Numbers have come down significantly, largely due to the vaccine programme, lives are being saved and we have a glimmer of normality. Because numbers are down, some feel safe enough to think they don’t want nor need a vaccine themselves, but if we all took the same stance where would we be? From an employer point of view, I imgaine you’d want to ensure your staff do everything they can to stay fit and healthy, covid will take you out of the workforce for a minimum of two weeks, and then there is long covid of course; I know people who have long covid and apart from the obvious pain, worry, life changing symptoms, they have lost their career because of it, unable to work. I don’t want a jab, no one does I’m sure, but I will have one. Unless you cannot have the jab for medical reasons I think it is a pretty selfish attitude; people need to think about their social responsibility and not think “I’m alright Jack”.

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    1. LVW4

      My daughter refuses to have the vaccine, and deluges me with conspiracy theories and fake articles. She is prone to anaphylactic shock, and has a medical reason, but she runs a small Thai catering business and I wonder how many would buy if they knew. 

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      1. LogicallyHonest

        Well those conspiracy theorists were right about one thing – we are moving towards Central Bank Digital Currency, following China, as are other countries. That’s all out in the open now and funny that the Bank of England already had their report on their website, all ready! CBDC means people will lose control of their money.  So maybe those ol’ CT’s were right about other things as well! 
        How about the (over) 10,000 medical professionals and thousands of lawyers fighting against mandatory vaccines – are they conspiracy theorists or are they trying to save humanity from a terrible mistake – nobody can know what this is going to do to their bodies FOR YEARS upon years because damage isn’t always immediate, it can be slow.
        If your daughter’s customers have been jabbed what difference does it make if she is or isn’t. Why are people not picking up on the illogic of this.  
         

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    2. LogicallyHonest

      It’s not at all selfish whilst it’s still in clinical trials (unitl 2023) and experimental.  
      People don;t seem to remember Thalidomide.

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      1. LVW4

        But people do remember the MMR scandal and how one ‘quack’ has persuaded so many to refuse the vaccine based on lies, putting their and others’ children’s lives at risk.

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        1. LogicallyHonest

          How do we know they are lies? Why are SO MANY children now suffering with previously unknown or rare conditions? Why are there so many allergies, so much anxiety and depression amongst the young? Why are SO MANY children on medications?  Everyone knows that EVERY medication comes with side effects – those shots are likely no difference.  So many people accept these shots have eradicated diseases like Polio – but where did the diseases come from in the first place? Perhaps one causes another – there seemed to be one outbreak after another in the late 50s/early 60s and one new shot after another? I’m not an activist and I’ve never been anti vax but I can use my own brain and and I can think for myself – more people should try doing that instead of just accepting what they’re told by the institutions who are becoming richer from sick people – and that includes our Government and their ‘mates’ – so many  suspect and dodgy deals! 
            Talking of one quack and their lies – ONE QUACK and his study on a very small amount of people convinced the world that cholesterol came from food and was bad. They still tell us it’s bad to get people onto statins whereas docotrs and heart specialists disagree and tell us that most heart attack cases show LOW cholesterol. Governments told people to eat low fat based on this. That ONE QUACK has caused Nations such as America and the UK to have the worst health ever – because people were filling their trollies with low fat foods and carbohydrate  high in sugar and bad oils – the sale of fake butter and processed food has rocketed. These foods are now proven to be the biggest enemies for our bodies. Low fat doesn’t satisfy, so more and more food needed to be consumed.  The highest number of people EVER are now diabetic and obese, there’s more heart disease and more cancer. And who are the people the CV affects the worst – those three groups.  AND THAT CAME FROM GOVERNMENT ADVICE……!

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  8. Dick Value

    Well it didn’t take long to go from ‘three weeks to flatten the curve’ to medical apartheid, did it?

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    1. paulgbar666

      Medical apartheid WON’T happen providing everyone gets vaccinated ASAP.
       
      Those who CHOOSE not to be vaccinated well that is their choice to suffer the possible ramifications of CHOOSING not to get vaccinated 

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      1. LogicallyHonest

        And what are the possible ramifications of accepting an experimental medication that is OFFICIALLY in clinical trials until 2023? Nobody can know what it’s going to do to their bodies – it could take years. There are now OFFICIALLY more deaths from the jab that from CV – check gov.uk!  CV, by the way, is seasonal – because all CVs are….. Does nobody question WHY every single person is needed to have this? It doesn’t make sense. Why do children need it? If their parents have it, they’re (supposedly) protection. It makes no difference if their children have it or now. Because a child can get it and pass it on whether they’ve had the jab or not. Perhaps it makes sense for the elderly and those with underlying helath conditions. Obese people should be helped to lose weight and Type2 diabetics can reverse the condition with good diet. It’s not their fault they’re in bad health, it’s all the bad advice given out by the Governments over the  past 35 years and allowing the clever marketing of all the sh*t food in the supermarkets. Most people in their 50s are now on medications – cholesterol, statins, PPIs. It seems to be accepted as normal – it’s my age! Lifestyles and diets need to be changed – improving health, improving our wonderful immune systems is more important than having more chemicals injected. Our immune systems will just be suppressed by all the jabs and medications. And that means more illness and more medications! Anybody supporting the intentions of the Governments will understand the consequences of this coercion within a year.
         

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  9. purplepatchy

    Why do I need to have the jab if you’ve had 2 and have 97% protection? Coming from someone who has willingly had both doses at this point, I find this attitude revolting.

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    1. AcornsRNuts

      i have a number of medical conditions which make me very vulnerable to Covid 19. I have had both jabs and it was explained to me that it would not stop me catching it, just alleviate symptoms.

      In other words I could still become very ill but, hopefully would survive. I am lucky in that I work from home and now any viewings etc can be carried out using social distancing precautions etc.

      I would not be happy working in close quarters with someone who refused the vaccine. They have the right to refuse vaccinations and I have the right not to work with them.

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      1. LogicallyHonest

        It’s not at all selfish whilst it’s still in clinical trials (unitl 2023) and experimental. People don;t seem to remember Thalidomide.

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  10. LogicallyHonest

    Wondered when this publication would be jumping on the propaganda bandwagon, stirring things up.

    Why would you worry and feel the need to cause a fuss if you’ve had the jab yourself?

    Why would an unvaccinated person put ANYONE at risk. The illogic of this ‘vaccine’  is obvious to people who actually think about it. You can catch it and pass it on whether you’ve had it or not! What people (who are happy to have it without any thought of risk later in life) don’t seem to be taking on board is that any medication should be choice – once it’s in, you can’t get it out!. This IS experimental. The clinical trials don’t end until January 2023. By then they may know if/what damage could be caused, but it would take years and years to really know if organs are being damaged.  Thalidomide is a good example. So are all the many many billions of dollars these Pharmas have been sued for over the years.

    Even insurance and healthcare companies are responding to queries about cover after being needled – no you’re not covered for death or disablement because it is an experimental drug. That’s why there is no liability against the Government or the Pharmas – why would the Government do that if they weren’t expecting to be sued?

    The best way to NOT put anyone, INCLUDING YOURSELF, at risk is to make yourself as healthy as you can. We have immune systems, we just need to keep them healthy. Governments aren’t giving this advice because there’s no money in a healthy person. Simple as that!  If people actually bother to read what highly qualified doctors and scientists are saying – or trying to because they are being blocked, or look at the Gov.uk website, instead of listening to the news or your favourite celebrity, you would understand where the risk lies. There are more deaths from the needle than there are deaths from the virus. Look at the yellow card reporting on gov.uk, and the CDC website. The number of reactions and deaths will still be happening from the jab, but because ‘flu season’ is over the virus deaths and so called cases will naturally stop. Has anyone even thought about that – a coronavirus is seasonal….. Dr Mike Yeadon (ex Pfizer chief scientist who knows a lot about this subject and who was always highly respected for his opinions) explains that new variants are always WEAKER than the original – how about that! He also explains that continually have these jabs – because they want regular tops – destroys our natural immunity. As do all the anti-bacterial products everyone seems to think are necessary – they remove the protective bacteria from our skin, our first line of defence. They’re not anti-virus! Our gut bugs need to be fed not washed away.

    In India, Doctors are getting into ‘trouble’ for giving their patients blood thinners prior to having the shot. Why would they get into trouble for something that’s intended to prevent another health issue or death – for helping people….?

    The problem we have in society is that people are lazy and reliant on ‘someone in some kind of authority’ to tell us what to do, instead of thinking for themselves. Everything has to be convenient, immediate, provided. We’ve had over a year to improve our health and had people been given the correct advice – or looked for it themselves –  this thing wouldn’t be such an issue,

    So back to original question – I would rather work with someone unvaccinated, than vaccinated. At least their own immune systems will give them a chance!  THIS NEEDS TO STOP – I noticed someone mentioned 1930s Germany and I completely agree – people can’t see that all propaganda is DELIBERATELY causing people to separate into Them and Us – families and friends are falling out, couples splitting up – it’s ridiculous.

    This will go the wrong way, badly if people continue to let this propaganda come between them.

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    1. AlwaysAnAgent

      Are you Piers Corbyn, by any chance?

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      1. htsnom79

        I was thinking something similar but plumped for Derek Hatton or perhaps the conviction shown by religious zealots ( of all stripes ) and cult leaders, ” I AM RIGHT WHEN WILL THE SCALES FALL FROM YOUR EYES!!!! ”

         

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        1. LogicallyHonest

          Ha ha neither!  I’m just not brainwashed by the media. I’m not a religious zealot or a member of a cult. I’ve never been an anti vaxxer, demonstrator, activist or a conspiracy theorist. I just use my brain, I think and apply logic to everything I hear and read, rather than just believe everything – if everyone did the same they would PERHAPS see how this could all so easily pin out of control if people let it.
          China are already using a social credit system and bringing in central bank digital currency by the end of the year. This is of Global interest. As announced by Rishi Sunak a few weeks agao, the UK set up a group to look into central bank digital currency. BUT the Bank of England had a report ready to go a long time ago – so it would be obvious to some that it was planned. THE PEOPLE would lose control of their money without a bank and extremely high interest rates can be applied to savings – meaning you can’t save. Economies thrive on debt not savings.
          You must all know that Lloyd’s Bank announced they are to be the biggest landlord in the UK by the end of the year? Does that not make you think? Why and how? Other Banks will likely follow suit because they may no longer be banks in the next 5 years. People are being encouraged to take 95% mortgages – if they can’t afford to pay their mortgage the bank will re-possess and rent it to them. Some people will think this sounds ‘conspiracy’ but it is worth thinking about.  The Government can’t keep throwing money at people if there are more lockdowns. How will people pay mortgages and rents? 
           I’ll leave it there but I only want people to think for themselves. If anyone has a different spin on the Lloyd’s Bank subject I’m open to hearing it.  

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    2. paulgbar666

      So tell me are the over 1million CV19 deaths just so much propaganda!!??   Had there been a vaccine for the Spanish Flu in 1918 you would have called such flu deaths as just propaganda. No need for vaccination. Pray that the majority are protected from idiots like you and your idiotic ramblings

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      1. LogicallyHonest

        Um most people are now aware that EVERY death was registered as CV whether it was a stroke, heart attack or car accident (yes I know someone who’s dad died from complications of a car accident but because he TESTED POSITIVE at some point it went on the death certificate).  Everybody seems to know somebody who died of other causes but was counted as a CV death. There is a website where people can log the false death certification and many families have been doing so.  you only have to speak to a funeral director and they will tell you about the death certificates. You only have to speak to hospital staff and they will tell you their CV patients are all either morbidly obese or have a heart condition. Not healthy people.  Even now the deaths are quoted as ‘tested positive within 28 days’ not that they died from it. It’s also common knowledge that the tests are over 97% false positive – Courts in other countries have ruled this.
        So the Spanish Flu continued without a vaccine? Do we still have Spanish Flu pandemics now?  No, it naturally went away, as viruses weaken. This is not my expertise but it is the expertise of over 10,0000 medical professionals, virologists and scientits – are they also idiots? Just because they are not ‘Government owned’ they are no longer allowed to be vocal in their studies. Why is that do you think? 
        I will refrain from calling you an idiot because I am not so unkind. I just feel sorry that you have been taken in by it all. 
        FACT: We have immune systems to protect us.
        You probably believe the footage of the people in India dying on the streets – that was actually footage from the gas explosion some months ago. Proven.

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  11. DASH94

    I currently work in an office with 4 under 30’s – I’m the only one who’s had a jab as far as I’m aware. I wouldn’t ask them about any of their medical history – including whether or not they’ve had a jab.
     
     
    Amended to add that the poll has let me vote 3 times – not sure if they all counted, just saying. 

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    1. Richard Copus

      Wow!  This has let the cat out of the bag!
      We’re about to enter a new era where all our attitudes to everything are going to have to change.  It will be interesting to see where all our views on life and business are in 5 years’ time.

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  12. #ImpressiveConveyancing

    Of course, as that person is the one who remains at most risk.

    I say most risk, as vaccinated people can still spread it!

    I would want to know why that person has not had it, as it might show a reckless side, and so I would be unhappy on that score as all a vaccine does is reduce death or serious illness. I can still catch it from them. And I did have it over Christmas and it hurt!

    I would also want to know if being vaccinated means you are less of a spreader? That is not crystal clear, as that would mean a non-vaccinated person has a higher chance of infecting me even after I am vaccinated. So that really would make me feel they are reckless.

    But then again, it is about the habits of people.

    Vaccinated or not, until it is eradicated, everyone needs to minimize their chance of catching it and spreading it.

     

     

     

     

     

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    1. LogicallyHonest

      Being vaccinated does not make you less of a spreader. It has been made very clear that you can still catch and pass it on. So an unvaccinated person is no more likely to pass it on to you than a vaccinated person!
      That’s why none of this makes sense.
      They say a vaccinated person is less likely to have severe symptoms. So if you’ve had it you  don’t need to make a fuss about people who haven’t. Because it makes no difference to you whatsoever!
       

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  13. paulgbar666

    A big problem for HMO. Such HMO occupiers will insist NOT unreasonably that all occupiers are vaccinated.   So LL will require as part of referencing sight of the Vaccination Cert.   No cert no tenancy. This also applies to lodgers as well. People are perfectly entitled to refuse vaccination and LL and employers are perfectly entitled to deny them facilities.   Once everyone is vaccinated which should be by September then LL may specify No vaccination no property occupation.   So definitely   No LETWA And No unvaccinated Tenant applications.   That is what LL will specify for future applicants ESPECIALLY for HMO circumstances.   Private LL may for BUSINESS reasons CHOOSE to refuse to let to these types.   I would also imagine that in HMO that vaccinated tenants would be within their rights to sue a LL who endangers their safety by allowing an unvaccinated occupant into a HMO   LL will play safe and insist on vaccinated occupants.   I can’t say I’d blame them for insisting on this. LL WON’T want to risk being sued for introducing unvaccinated occupants into a HMO.   If this means that those who refuse to be vaccinated are consequently denied rental accommodation that is just TOUGH!!   PERHAPS there might be LL that specify ONLY unvaccinated occupants. There will surely be a market for such HMO.   Of course there will be additional churn as the unvaccinated die off.   Their choice of course. But I imagine LL would be able to charge more for what will be in effect   Death HMO   Of course the prerogative of unvaccinated to die earlier than they would do otherwise.   But they have no right to mix with vaccinated occupants.  
     
    So simple solution to all this
     
    GET VACCINATED!!   

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    1. Orson67

      I am certain you will find yourself in a whole heap of trouble with discrimination lawyers if you attempt any of the above.

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    2. bestandfinal51

      paulgbar666 – vaccinated or not, I think many people on this site will think your post is beyond grotesque.

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      1. Dick Value

        He’s lost the plot. He probably still thinks it came from a bat in a Chinese wet market.

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        1. paulgbar666

          I think you’ll find that most of the recent pandemics have been caused by zoonotic diseases transferring from the wild to humans.   Bats are as a matter of zoological fact known to be excellent transmitters of such diseases.   As the human population inexcorably increases more intrusion into forests where these animal transmitters are will cause more pandemics You are deluding yourself if you consider that bat transmission was unlikely.   I would suggest that based on empirical evidence of past pandemics that it has been zoonotic diseases that have caused past pandemics. Transmission now ably assisted by air travel to result in a pandemic. If I was seeking a safe country which has responded correctly to the CV19 pandemic then Australia and New Zealand look like good places to be for future pandemics as they responded correctly to the CV19 pandemic.   This is why you now have many in the Hollywood film community buying properties in Oz and NZ.   I’d do the same if I had the money!!

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          1. Orson67

            Zoonotic transmission is  fact, HOWEVER, you have missed one important step in this matter, Human to human transmission, any virus including CV would take time to “work out” how to perform H to H transmission and it is blindingly obvious that given the timescale of the start of this epidemic in China that either this virus is incredibly clever or, most likely this virus is one that came from the lab in Wuhan where they have been experimenting with CV for years.

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      2. paulgbar666

        And your response explains why so many LL refuse to use LA who have your incompetent attitudes.   LL operate viable businesses NOT charities. For you to consider that such practical responses by LL to genuine tenant concerns just proves what an idiot you are.   I would imagine with dopey attitudes like yours you will be losing LL custom.   I certainly wouldn’t use any LA with your bonkers attitude. It is the virus that is grotesque NOT the ramifications and practical responses to it. If there are those that refuse to be vaccinated that is their choice. They have to however accept the effect of their decision on themselves. LL will largely be led by tenant imperative Few vaccinated tenants will wish to reside with unvaccinated ones.   LL will make BUSINESS decisions accordingly.   No tenant has any right to a private tenancy.   ONLY the LL may allow that.   There will be the LL offer to treat for letting accommodation.   It will be for the LL only to decide who gets a tenancy.   Personally I will decline any applicant who WON’T be vaccinated by a certain time.   Probably by end of September. But make no mistake those who refuse to get vaccinated will be legitimately discriminated against for business reasons.

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  14. Orson67

    I am certain you will find yourself in a whole heap of trouble with discrimination lawyers if you attempt any of the above.

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    1. paulgbar666

      Hopefully I’ll be out of the PRS BEFORE any possible suggestion of lawyers and discrimination issues might occur.
       
      I’ll leave those potential issues for remaining LL to deal with.
      Wonder whether lodgers will be the same problem!
       
      Can’t see any homeowner being prosecuted for declining an unvaccinated lodger!
       
       
       
       

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  15. Will2

    So many people who think they are experts!

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    1. paulgbar666

      Yep follow the science NOT the nutter anti-vaxxers!

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      1. LogicallyHonest

        Ha ha neither!  I’m just not brainwashed by the media. I’m not a religious zealot or a member of a cult. I’ve never been an anti vaxxer, demonstrator, activist or a conspiracy theorist. I just use my brain, I think and apply logic to everything I hear and read, rather than just believe everything – if everyone did the same they would PERHAPS see how this could all so easily pin out of control if people let it. China are already using a social credit system and bringing in central bank digital currency by the end of the year. This is of Global interest. As announced by Rishi Sunak a few weeks agao, the UK set up a group to look into central bank digital currency. BUT the Bank of England had a report ready to go a long time ago – so it would be obvious to some that it was planned. THE PEOPLE would lose control of their money without a bank and extremely high interest rates can be applied to savings – meaning you can’t save. Economies thrive on debt not savings. You must all know that Lloyd’s Bank announced they are to be the biggest landlord in the UK by the end of the year? Does that not make you think? Why and how? Other Banks will likely follow suit because they may no longer be banks in the next 5 years. People are being encouraged to take 95% mortgages – if they can’t afford to pay their mortgage the bank will re-possess and rent it to them. Some people will think this sounds ‘conspiracy’ but it is worth thinking about.  The Government can’t keep throwing money at people if there are more lockdowns. How will people pay mortgages and rents? I’ll leave it there but I only want people to think for themselves. If anyone has a different spin on the Lloyd’s Bank subject I’m open to hearing it.

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  16. LogicallyHonest

    Having it does not make you less of a spreader. It has been made very clear that you can still catch and pass it on. So an unvaccinated person is no more likely to pass it on to you than a vaccinated person!

    That’s why none of this makes sense.

    They say a vaccinated person is less likely to have severe symptoms. So if you’ve had it you  don’t need to make a fuss about people who haven’t. Because it makes no difference to you whatsoever!

     

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    1. LVW4

      It makes a big difference… to me at any rate. I had covid really bad last year, and would rather not risk getting even minor symptoms from someone who hasn’t had the vaccine.

      What nobody has mentioned is the unfairness of those who decide to risk getting a bad dose of covid and then habing to take yet more time work, leaving those who have been responsible to pick up the slack.

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      1. Dick Value

        You really need to spend at least 5 minutes investigating the human immune system.

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